Pod 619 : The Alonso Era Begins

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[SPEAKER_00]: Behind home, fake, we bring in it to a more gay Oh, I'm gay, go with some Well, get the perfect word Where the dudes, we bring in it to your hallway Oh, wait, go with some Well, get the perfect word Orange and black, we rebuild the pack No matter where we at, you know We call the back, section three, three, six We all miss some to live Oh, yeah, go with some Well, get the perfect word Yeah, yeah, go with them The perfect word You know what's called some

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[SPEAKER_02]: Lazy them with boys and girls, Baltimore Sports fans of all ages.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Chris Miss came early in Birdland.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We, I am your, in nearly setting up Matt's Roca as always.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We haven't been by Josh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't pulled out the sound ball bored in many years, but we gotta do it tonight.

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[UNKNOWN]: Everything is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is cool when you're part of a team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're living.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the, what, how did you find out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you find out by the text?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I'm disconnected now from the world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't do Twitter anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really do social media.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I rely on like an email from Rich Drew Brawl for something to get my news now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, that takes a little while though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So my, my first info was the, the text from you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had to go, when I first saw it, I did the thing where you do multiple sources.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just assumed, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just assumed it's a prank that it's not real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because even though we would come on this podcast and we would say, hey, the Orioles we're gonna make a big sign in the next couple weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would tell people, hey, the winter meetings are this week, the Orioles are gonna make a big sign in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still didn't believe it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was just like yesterday when Kyle Schworberg signed and you're like, well, we offered him this many, you know, five, 150 million or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We also offered Corbin Burns a huge contract.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He signed with Arizona, like we've gone on this road before, where I know we're capable of offering people, but can we sign them and prior to Peter Lanzo, I didn't know if it was possible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: it was possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was also yesterday, it was like, I was just happy we were invited to the party.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was happy that we threw it through at an offer and that there were numbers behind it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like these rumors of while the Orioles were in the discussion when they were never really.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but, you know, the pirates that they were in the discussion for college four, but two, no one really believes them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, how many times have you been in discussion with a lot of players?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in that's class of corials, where there's never a number.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as Senate or Ohio fans, we always feel like the discussion was a quick call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Will you take 20 bucks?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we move like a real number came out yesterday for Schworber, where we were like, okay, and everyone's been saying, every reporter's been saying the Orioles are like in on every for the agent, pretty much right there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Point that it's on the people we just do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not like the bottom of the barrel, like top for agents.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we are trying to get to come play for Baltimore and you're like, yeah, and I believe them, but I'm also like, you need to see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's also the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same news reporters, sports reporters, baseball guys, that have for years trashed the Orioles for not going after these big names and always saying, well, the Orioles didn't design these big names and they trash them because they don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I saw rumors that the Orioles were in on this, it's like sure they are, prove it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think anyone, though we were in on all these top names, I don't think anyone

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, there were no rumors into what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we talk about how we've kind of used that as another excuse for the Orioles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's well, the Orioles keep things close to the chest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't let things leak out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are these discussions, but they keep them secret.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like...

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[SPEAKER_01]: They leaked a cost for a number that they apparently, yeah, I was trying to figure out and then Alonzo got signed and I didn't care anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who put that number out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did the Orioles put that number out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or did Schworberg's team put that number out?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was, look, I did, you know, one of the first things I did when I found the news.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I bought my face.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I told my co-workers who doesn't who could care last.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I, uh, I just was curious.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I googled comparison numbers between Schworber and Alonzo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they have pretty similar stats.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Schworber strikes out more and walks more and is only a DH.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's that like in order?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Peter Lanzo hits gets more hits, strikes out a little bit less, walks less.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, now, and can play for a space.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's he's considered a sub average right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he doesn't he doesn't want to be a DHA only he wants to be a first baseman

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's Final Care, it's just it's huge, it's huge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't want, and if your first reaction is, oh, here's the two reaction, I won't allow, I won't allow on this podcast right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: On is, oh, we still need to start in picture.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, anyone who thinks that like the world's starting to get a lot of, was the missing piece, and now the world's are good, no one thinks that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what's shining on the onto shows is the opposite that we're going to make a bunch of moves that allow to is what are third free agent like major free agent signed this off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Could you got a couple bullpin arms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we got an alphielder in a bullpen arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was trained with the ward trade for granted trade with ward and then Hensley as our closer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are big moves to help the team and move that make the team better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a huge step was making the team better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, because everyone was talking about, oh, all the other reporters, the others are in and all the big names, the name starts, big name starts, big name starts, big name starters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now we sign one of the biggest baths out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it just means not only are we in on the big name starters, oh, by the way, we also signed the biggest power hitter available as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, it doesn't mean, oh, now the wallet is shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it means no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When Dave Rubinstein says, we've got plenty of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently we've got plenty of money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and this is what we thought would have the last offseason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were just an offseason truly or two, two, two, early, I still think last offseason was Mike Elias being stubborn and saying, I don't need money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can win without money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and Rubenstein was still adjusting to being the owner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he saw that and said, stop this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's do this on the fence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, go spend the money with that's what you're here for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, five years for, and the second thing I don't want to hear is, I don't want to hear a Christine, but five years and no, or I've already won your old, um, for space in flat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To be 36, nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like he, he will get, he's not a great base runner, but I'm saying, like, it's not my glasses, probably ideal candidates for five year deal, but you went a world series the first two in its five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and Rubenstein says, I don't care, even if he sucks the last two years of the contract, I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is what big market teams this is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't want to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is the point of having like an investor group, like the Nets, yeah, that as money coming in and also just kind of just say, I, I a little bit mixed films up about Peter Lanzo, I loved him in his arrogance and it's kind of cockiness in the home and Derby, you know, defending two time is it champion the home and Derby and the arrogance of cockiness like playing up the heel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Love that and so I love that he's bringing it not and as a mess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't love that because he was on the match No, but now is an Oreo I love it, but I can't wait for July with him is in black and orange Yeah, did this increase the chance of the home run derby coming and then the all-terdam coming to came in yards I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know where it's at next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it Pittsburgh next year?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember It's not in came in year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it just, it's so exciting that we got one of the top, I mean, we're, and we're competing here with the mats, I don't know who else was seriously in it, but we're competing with Big Market team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, and someone tried to tell me, well, you still got to play the Yankees and the Red Sucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, we always have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now now we can hit home runs we've got this and honestly I would say that person even is a little thing out of touch what no yeah those are people we don't have to play the blue jay's Josh yeah they're the police they's got them sees they're they're trying to eat that more players and then they're the series they were in the real series last year so yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the at least is back to be in the hardest division in baseball, what difference is the Orioles are now one of those tough teams instead of the scrappy guys trying to get by.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then listen, it's still going to be a tough division, but this is all the more more reason to do it way as much as roll over because the Yankees and Red Soxson are no you have to spend money to compete with the likes of the blue jays to Red Soxson Yankees.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, pumped about this, Jeff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just, I feel, I've been clouded nine all day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When is the last time the hurdles made a move?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This exciting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the other, the contract, the only contract in the world's history that compares to this is the Chris Davis contract.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a little bit different because it was a recent situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a recent, and it was like, kind of split on whether or not it was worth it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go in into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you look at his, his track record, you will not find a more consistent home run hitter in the game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like whenever you talk about just from 2019 or 2017, there's three names that always come up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Schworberg, Judge, and Alonzo, Alonzo, what was the number?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like 34 home runs at least kind of every year of his career.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's wild.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's a guy that you can rely on, a guy that is gonna, we talked about when we made the word time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the 162 games, the past two years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Every single game this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he, 162, we don't have anyone that has done that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about the word signing and how that makes our lineup better and add some protection.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You put a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so in that three, three whole, the type of pitches that Gunner and how are they and Adley are gonna get.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if I was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and we'll get to some of the, I think there could be some dominoes like someone after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, there's definitely some more options now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if, if, if you look at our line of last year, a legit criticism is against left handed pitching, we had kind of a left handed dominant line up with gunner and holiday and cow's there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were definitely

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now you bring in Ward and Alonzo, I mean we just now have a really balanced lineup against lefties and righties.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's just, it makes, it's just the perfect fit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Ward was the perfect fit because of power hitting right handed hitter and Alonzo is like the much better version of Taylor Ward, the power hitting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I makes me wonder a little bit if, you know, the

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[SPEAKER_02]: If it's even necessary now that we got to the lawn, so, but you're, let me just, you can't have too many good hitting power hitters and so our offense just got a whole lot better just with these two signings or the way to trade in this signing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm pumped to see how this line is constructed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm already daydreaming on line of construction here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly because you put them in that three-hole, you put them in that four-hole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just makes everyone better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we talk about the people now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about leaders and we talk about needing a better in presence.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peter Lanzo is a huge veteran presence for this young in-field.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, it's so great to add a veteran consistent hitter around young hitters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's just so great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just what you want to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we talked before with the Taylor Ward signing and getting ready.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Grayson, like what's the one thing that we want to focus on that allows you to focus on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's making sure you have players who you can count on next year, who are not a mystery, if they'll play and it's not a mystery, if they'll be good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you need to bring, and so now we have Pilanzo, who's been super consistent throughout his career, and that's one less wild card you have to worry about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, cool, all right, Kobe, my God, first space is intriguing, but he's a wild card.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, Kobe mayors going to hit one 80 or two 80.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he's going to have 10 home runs or 30 home runs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Pilanzo, you know what he's going to be and he's going to be a really good player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Pilanzo, I looked up, I just looked up the stats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has played in 10 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, do you know how many home runs he has and can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got five In 10 games.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty good 10 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so every other game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I expect him to know 40 home runs at home this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and 81 games 40 home runs Let's see what he does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Plus road home runs

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but that was probably a lot of the comments were probably before the the wall got pushed back a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But no, he's got the type of power.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter where the wall is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So all right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're pumped.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We love the signing more to come.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not the one we'll be the last move of the world to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had to get on here talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know part of part of me was like, well, let's delay three thirty six because we're going to make another Simon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's almost an hour waiting for the other shooter drop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or a trade, a trade, a sign in, because there are plenty of opportunities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there is, there's no reason, but to be excited for this pedolonsome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If there's no, there's, you try to bring up some negatives of, oh, what we still need pitch in, or it's still the Orioles or whatever, but there's no negative to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The agent first basement, bad bass runner, bad defense, like if you want to make up things to get mad about, you can make up things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All I know is our team offensive, they got a lot better today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How about this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is five home runs, left field and left center field, which would all still clear the post 2022 left field one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So no problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Baltimore Pete here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's a stat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like, um, he, um, this is from Michael Bowman of fan graphs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It says, uh, in 2024, our lounge, it returned to the Met's on a front loaded to your deal with an opt-out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and he did more than just run it back at 25.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got more aggressive within this strike zone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Short-up weaknesses against sliders posted the best quality of contact numbers of his career last

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[SPEAKER_02]: and around a two-cent-fu-bat average and 141 weighted runs created plus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Orioles have had only three offensive seasons that good in the past 20 years, two by Chris Davis and one by Gunner Henderson in 2024.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So in the past 20 years, only three players in Orioles history have been as good as Alonso was last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just did the AI do the projections for 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They say, easy answer, 39 homeruns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If everything goes well, 46 homeruns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If everything falls apart, 34 homeruns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So lots is pretty solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: pretty sad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, we talked about this before, but that was an area of offensive numbers in general, but specifically home runs, the top guy had 17 last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so now you bring 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the number.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who had 34 and you're bringing in P. Alonzo who gets in the mid 30s every single year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The average is going up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just immediately make sure you're a team so much better offensively and you're right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a big deal that both ward and Alonzo especially, it's a veteran hitter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have a lot of young hitters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like an up and down, you know, with these hitters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You bring it into veteran guys to stir up your little line up to help the young players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just makes all the sense of the world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just so happy about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, now, I think I have all the domino effects here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I can't wait for the domino's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait because...

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to make me a little bit nervous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because now we have the opportunity to trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, I just think I think of all the drama of the Orioles that those season tickets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, if you guys could have just waited one more year, we'd have all thrown our money at you next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you would have waited for a month,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We feel like it sucks, yeah, but fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got to pay for Pete.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got to money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's I played for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could justify it then, but you're time in like everything Orioles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your PR sucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but this is a great move.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a great move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll use those money for money for playoff baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's get some dominoes trickle down domino effects.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's

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[SPEAKER_02]: One person who's going to be really upset probably the news, another person's probably unhappy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're the first and one of those birthdays today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which I was like, coin a birthday present.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who's birthday is?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kobe's Kobe Mayo's birthday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would say Ryan Mountcast from Kobe Mayo, or probably the only two people associated with the world so we're not happy right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think, I think Kobe Mayo can be okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I might have to start in Norfolk, or I can be the young guy on the bench.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Mountcast, you think you can still work, you think Mayo is not a foregone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't think he's out the door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think he may be, but as so can Mount Castle may be as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a higher likelihood of Mount Castle being out the door.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, Mayo becomes a really intriguing trade chip that feels like, like, he feels now where we were thinking about, like, because we don't know Mount Castle's performance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's had down years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we thought, well, maybe we'll have to rely on Mayo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to kind of hold down our first base and hope he has a good year and kind of hope he's really yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And and in the last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But now of a study he feels like a luxury because we have never need a first baseman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He really doesn't play other positions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like the same for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the same time right now, he might have more trade value then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right amount.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, and the contract, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the contract.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is last year, Ryan Mancass was dealing with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Mount Cass was been going downhill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, I think if the world was fine to trade partner for Mount Cass, or she's gone, if they can, Kobe Mayo, I think, teams want Kobe Mayo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's going to be intriguing, can you find the right match?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I presumably, there's been link to what McKinsey Gore, Cabrera from the Marlins.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's been talk already with starting pitchers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder if there's a match there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Marlins seem to make sense after we did the deal that with the Stowers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It makes sense to be able to go back there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's worked out for both teams, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I listen, if you want to go back to the, that's the, if you want to really make real crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we, we did something like that for burns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I think from the choice perspective, they'll need to come down on their price because we don't have the tank prospects.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they want.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you could package together a Kobe Mayo and a couple other young players, I mean, I'm certainly, I'm certain that the world's, you know, we'll talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they did it with carbon burns when they did with deal hall and show your T's for for carbon burns.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you can swing a similar trail like that, I think it costs more than that for schoolable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you do a deal like that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think to think you do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You give up Mayo and Adley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the interesting thing, Josh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where you're at with this, but for me, the signing of Peter Lanzo, where my head goes is, it almost makes Adly the most likely sky to be gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I never feel too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Adly was going to get traded, but my logic is, what I thought for Salo would get a lot of time at first base.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right now it feels like he's gonna get no time at first place exactly and I trusted oddly would be there Still because we need that bat and the solid bats not to be there quite yet We're the Longbow and and well, who's oh well and the other thing we talked about like I want more players on my roster Who I know what I'm getting offensively from we don't know what we're getting from Adly next year off And so if you want to trade someone who you're not certain of and if you feel like like right now

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who do you have more confident?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who do you think will have the better offensive year next year, Samuel Bassayo, or Adley Ratchman, offensively, who's better right now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who do you think will have better year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have Basala, I don't have trust in Adley right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I may be because he's younger and you see less of them, but it feels like same of a silo is a real deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I have more trust, same of a silo being every day catcher than New Adley Rouchman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the little bit of that as well, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you might be ready to move on from Adley because I think the silo can't have a spot at first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's my trade for the tigers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would give them Adley Rouchman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now this trade sounds ridiculous, but I have to look at everything way different since Peter Lounds are joined.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would give up Adly Ratchman, I would give up Kobe Mayo, and I would give up Heston Kirstead for Scooble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think a month ago I would have laughed at that move, but from the Orioles perspective, I'd be like, I'm not giving up Mayo and Rochbin and Kirstead, but then I look at,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I look at Alonzo and Bassalos, we've got that long-term sign in now and Ward is here so that takes some time away from Kirstead where it's now, I can pretty perfectly, I can go this entire season without Adly, Mayo and Kirstead and not even notice it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now we'll the Tigers accept that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it gives them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It gives them a leader and a catcher that's solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It gives them Kobe Mayo, which could be another 30 home run guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it gives them cursed that is kind of this wild card with power outfield or if he can get his health straight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they all have control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have multiple years of control on those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, would the tigers?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the tigers would do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how they feel about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think Dillon, Dingler was their catcher last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how they feel about him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, certainly, I mean, it's interesting, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: When you're dealing with Detroit, it's an interest situation because they're not trying to rebuild, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not trying to trade school, not get a bunch of 18, 19, 20 year olds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, they want to plant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to still be in the competition.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They just know they can't resign them next year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, they want to get some talent back now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm trying to give them talent that can play that you can put in your lineup open in day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know, Phil, if that would get the deal done because Chris that I think has next to no value, now maybe if you did, I suggest to you in a text, Adley and Kobe and Tray Gibson starting picture Norfolk, now maybe, like, like, maybe if you throw in a young picture or two, maybe that's more intriguing to them, I know it, but not I haven't looked at the tiger to see, do they need bats, do they need pitch in what do they need?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, there is rumors of the Dodgers thrown a bunch of prospects over to the Tigers because if there's anything the Dodgers need, it's more pitching.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... line up with yamamoto and uh... um... um... uh... uh... otani and they just signed e-mail yeah well just in the starters and now and i'm blanking on the guy from from Tampa Bay to uh... yeah that was

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would be ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be fair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But because it's common knowledge that's now, I forgot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tigers want to trade scuba.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there's lots of every team that's interested.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Detroit GM said like we're listening to calls and that's what GM said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you don't know what that means.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How serious they are about moving them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if not, there's other pictures, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We mentioned Edward Barra mentioned McKinsey Gore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, school was the best of them, but there's other pictures available for trade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's still a couple of really good names.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the thing that we talked about last time we talked are available in free agency.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's still a couple with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: a, there's or a still up plenty of options.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, be interested to see what happens next.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Could the orals go with Mount Castle and Mayo, like the same offensive line up?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the same offensive roster, or does one of them have to go to make group repeat a lot?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it depends if you can move Mayo to third.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you can trust Mayo over a third and transition him on third, then you can keep Mayo on your bench.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, but I don't see how even Mayo playing third helps you all that much, because Jordan Westberg is your third basement, and he's a right handed hitter, so I don't think that's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you have D8, you have a D8 spot, so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But is that Adley's spot?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, Adley's, I mean, you would have to get creative with it, but Adley could catch, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you got a solid D8.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you kind of platoon and I would imagine maybe against lefties and yeah, a little platoon and with us alone so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, well, with Adley, Adley goes to the bench against Laptis, and then Kobe plays DH, and basal catches against Laptis, and he just played me against Laptis.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Mount Cas, I don't know how he fits in all that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't either.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think according to Off the position of something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think the Orioles could, even though they just did the contract extension, I think basal could still be traded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, because I think they see that contract that's such a big deal, they can move that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's why they would never trade in a million years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so affordable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so affordable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he is an entire organization that guy least likely get traded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just like, um, I would think you don't trade holiday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't trade gunner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't trade Westburg.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, they're not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't, you don't, you, you don't pick up the phone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could trade drilling beavers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could trade beavers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: With the addition of ward, you could trade beavers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could trade cowser.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could trade cowser.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have a problem at center, but you could trade cowser.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like ward in

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and my holiday to center move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or we'll leave sign Mateo for a center.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mateo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right when he played like two games, you said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's likely as a reason I'm in center field.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought, did you mean mollins, and now we have to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, mollins is now in Tampa, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we will see him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's the most exciting part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, Pete Alonzis is the most exciting part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now, suddenly, we actually have trade candidates.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After thinking, oh, we've used up our farm system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have the depth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We do have depth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's depth isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's another way to get depth to make trades from take a starter in Kobe, Mayo and now make them a depth piece by adding.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pete Alonso.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now he went from kind of an untouchable prospect because you need him on your on your roster to now he's a luxury and then you lock down basalo and you get another guy that can hit him runs or two guys that can hit him runs and suddenly add Lisa luxury.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We would never consider out the electric couple years, but right, but now he does feel like could, would you even consider trading, but he's the while he's hurt again zero chance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because because because they they talked about it, injury and and you don't even know if he's ever gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's no value there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And nobody wants them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's going to be, but like even if you keep everybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You figured out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if it means Kobe Mayo doesn't play as much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, he's going to be in our fault.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He might be in our fault if there's been trades.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's in our fault.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kobe, we so angry if he is and not going to be right to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's possible, um, because you can't put Ryan Matkass so I'd more hope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to keep Ryan Matkass on the roster, I don't know if he has a spot number, if you want to go on the roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you want to keep him on the roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're trying to trade Matkass.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why, I think you are trying to trade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just kind of, if you can find the right partner for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it just gives you, as, yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It gets to make a lie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So many different options.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So flexible and what he can do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if not, worst case scenario, you have a lot of depth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then if you don't have room for Ryan Machouse, so come this easy, because no one gets hurt, then you can release them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it just gives you a lot of options.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure that was, I wonder how much of this was talked about when Albee took the job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As manager, as Albert and her sister job, I wonder how much of this was talked about, but I mean, I'll always, I'll always guide you loving life now with this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and you know, Albee had to be told, hey, we're going to try to get a top of the line picture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go after a top of the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to sign these top of the line for the agents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and at the same time, you have to know that Albee has to also look at that and say, I hear you, but the track which shows this is who we're going with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and and I don't think when everyone's talking about the starter starter starter starter starter starter, it's easy to get distracted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Our offense was not great last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were in the bottom third, yes, and kind of all offensive categories.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So our offense and we were relying on, well, if, you know, Gunner has a bounce back to what he was two years ago,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And holiday now is more experience in a four year beavers of a siloing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were drawing up a picture where the offense could be better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we really and reporters, a lot of fans weren't focusing on the offense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Orioles clearly saw the offense last year as a problem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they've gone and done two big moves to help address that offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does this make the Orioles the favorite to in the Hill East?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, it's all Blue Jays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's still Blue Jays.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, it's got to be with the Dutch New Zealand Seas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This has to put us expected at 90 wins, 92 wins, something up there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I mean, Josh, who are five starters?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Does I don't think it does yet?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trevor Rogers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: See if you can get even five guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This should be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trevor Rogers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tyler Wells.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tyler Wells, don't sleep on Cobb Radish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cobb Radish.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't sleep on the picture picture for TV.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's Israel and the baseball classic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so tired of praying our being in this rotation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's for, okay, so we got four guys who were there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bill, I miss him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a veteran I miss him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, there's not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They all left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's gone, Morton's gone, they all left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have Povich, is there a fifth guy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe if we want to throw in like Brandon Young, McDermott, Chase McDermott.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He started transitioning to the bullpen last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's sticy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's sticy in terms of it is,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, people talking about trade gifts in the minors, but he's still kind of in the minors.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's dice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think anyone put us in any one team now because we don't know who's pitching game three, four or five in the first week of season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You give me Yeah, Rogers, Braddish, Wells, Povich.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ray, my great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the five now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you know, or as or something like use you start, um, yeah, you you you you you you trade from McKinsey gore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, uh, I think we start talking about it now, but it feels like, uh, I'm not ready to protect where this team is at, yeah, because because the other shoes going to drop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the question is, is it going to be a trade or is it going to be a free agent?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because, well, they asked make a lie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At the winter meetings, like, do you have room in your budget design a big bat and a big picture?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, yeah, he said, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we got to think about, now let's get Ranger Swarras or Frammer Badez.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that makes the most sense since we missed out on, uh, cease.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Were we even rumored in the conversation with cease?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or does it kind of came out of nowhere?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with Toronto and they gave us seven years, a lot of years for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Where I don't think about that, that's what you're seven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll probably be more in the four five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's only 21 years old.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, about as it's 32.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's 32.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, how can I start it at 21?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's two in the free agency.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's about as and score as.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you get a drop and you get the drop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you go to like Michael King maybe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But about as and score as are kind of the top two guys last.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are the two aces left and then you get in the two and three starters before we can do the straight route.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when you end now we've got the trade chips and we've got the money maybe we can grab two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go all out this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, like we legit good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to trade for someone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, it's doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, seems like something we could do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't even talk about much of the bullpen seems a lot better now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because we've got Henley at the back end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We signed another bullpen on my belief.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We traded for kitchens to catch that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then if you signed one pitcher, one of these arms goes back into the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You signed two pitchers, two go into the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, we've always been intrigued by telewells as a closer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As a back end guy, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he doesn't seem to be able to do a whole season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So clearly the next move is the rotation because we focus on the bullpen then we focus on the line up now it's time for the rotation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do you think we're still pursuing another hitter or do you think we're offensively like we're good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're we're good here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we will sign a center field still to the little bit of I think we could sign a a good outfielder defender.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not pop of the market.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd have to look at more of a midline mid market guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have to look at what outfielders are available.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, in terms of guys lists that center field, Cody Bellinger is a top guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we're going to go in Bellinger.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, then Harrison Bader is next guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we can Harrison Bader either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe down down the list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We could get like a McCormack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a Chasm McCormack or, um, or, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Austin, he's out there Josh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We get Austin Haynes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we did science of Eris to kind of, I think, be, I hope, I don't think we've picked them to be every day's center fielder, but more of the, as a depth piece.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a depth piece, which we piece.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many, it seems like every year, we've always waited until the end of January, February.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And first, second, we can February, we'll finally make a move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll finally sign the last reagent out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here we are jumping on it early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it did feel like last year we were waiting for kind of all the big names to go and maybe we tried a little bit but not really and then on the satin we got who was who was left over and even with I mean Tyler Neil right was the big signing and then even the pitching we I mean we targeted veteran four and five's not top rotation arms at any point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's it's it's just all of these and feels feels different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we should probably just leave it at that because we're going to be back in a couple weeks as we wind up our picture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We actually have Christmas and things to celebrate this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I don't want anyone at Christmas to be like we got Peter Lanzo, but the world was didn't address certain pitching.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's coming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's coming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We will address we cannot roll into the season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You want to spend all this money on Peter Lanzo and just ignore the gaping hold that that is the pitching.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think my guys knows that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the ownership group knows that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I expect just to come now with one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's not out of the possibility that we get signed one

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[SPEAKER_01]: Totally great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I can't wait to join the podcast to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right Will you want to close this out there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's end it here a little early Christmas present from Birdland and Peter Lanzo and polar bear great Anything to polar bear love that Matt We did a full episode of 336 with the only talking Orioles baseball.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Have we ever done that before?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't it's been a while it's exciting

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, I'm going to come on the Michael Marish at one of these days and get all my non-based ball talk at home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to know what your issues are with what you have, but you want to push Mike and Rob about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A couple things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Couple things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That push him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just never have connected them related to them so much in my life as I have the past couple weeks with two stories they have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I want to talk to them about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you do a TikTok Josh on the Piedalown exam?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I will tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I today was busy day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for listening boys and girls.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as always, go old.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Great job Elias.