#633 Adley Trade

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[SPEAKER_03]: Three, six, we on this, so true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, welcome to Birdland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next generation of Baltimore Sports Talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm you're in doing something host to Matt's Roca.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As always, I'm joined by the button lover Josh Roca.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey, I'm glad we uh, I'm glad we took a couple days to kind of let the trade settle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as it settled for you, I find myself I was last night while Emily was sleeping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in bed and I can't stop thinking about it I go to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been the most unproductive three days professionally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in my career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just I can't stop thinking about it Probably to the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I started

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not part of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In prepping for the show a couple of days ago, I thought we're going to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I started to write down some notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I now just have three pages of just rambling notes all about just the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take me both ways where I'm, I've changed my mind so many times but yeah, half my comments contradict one another.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can take myself out of it, but then I can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I go back and forth with, I like to trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a ridiculous trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the end of the organization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad I don't have season tickets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we'll be okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all, it's so bipolar, my notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The overwhelming emotion for me is not even anger towards my collious or towards ownership or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just to be honest, I'm still kind of depressed about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think it's the end of everything with Doritos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're going full rebuild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm depressed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm depressed for what I'm trading badly represents and for what happened to this rebuild.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm 100% with you there, where it's, I got angry, I am sad, I am disappointed, I am at the stage of we can never have good things in Baltimore, like what we ever see the Orioles waiting in the world series, because Adley was the face of that rebuild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Josh, and if you go back, I just can't stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going back, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, he's drafted, and this is why we've delayed the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he's drafted in 2020.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Lies comes in his first draft takes Adley and Gunner, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then we're still like, that's peak tanking, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So 2021, he's in the minors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got my, uh, Ironbirds, are they brought up in shirt?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also have a Delmarve of short birds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe Basak's shirt because I watched him and every step in the minors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in 2021,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and 2020 we cared more about the minor leagues that we did about the major league team with good reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then 2022 he makes his debut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And from the moment he steps on the field, and he kind of takes his helmet off and looks around, and he is a triple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a triple in line with Machado, and the time with weeders, for a debut triple, I think, oh, well, this is it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and it is it, Josh, because the next year in 2023,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gunner makes an appearance and we win 100 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we win the A-A-A-L-East and Gunner makes it a rival in order to Westburg makes it a rival.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Multiple all stars that year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Cab Radish is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of jumped on the scene.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're like, and they're all young players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a bunch of kids out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We thought we were gonna dominate for years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and the 2024 happens, and again, we win 90 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We finished second place, Adley is not quite as good as he was the year before, but Adley's still good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when Gunner kind of goes off and has an insane year in 2024, and we win 90 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at this point, our conversation as oral fans is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about this in terms of Michael IS, not just like, what do we need to do to get in the playoffs?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what do we need to do to get in the world series?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And any criticism of Michael IS was not about playoffs, is about, is he willing to push all his chips to go to the right series?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it was an assumed, at the end of 2024, it was assumed that the order was going to be in the playoffs in 25 and 26, 27, 28.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's assumed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what was...

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was similar in 2024 and 2025, and now in 2026, is we always also then talked about the injuries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And how this team has all the potential but they keep getting struck with injuries at a wrong time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, what, well, at 2025 happens and there's a tons of injuries to our pitching staff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, look at this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the one, the Tista went down the end of 2024.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we had that hole, if we had Batista,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and Brad is too, because Brad is just only showed up like the last, he only pitched like five games at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and so if you have those back and then you injects the holidays okay, you seem he's going to progress.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gunner is not quite as good, but the gunner is still one of the best short stops in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you also have this crop remember we traded stowers because we had too many outfielders who were really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, cursed that was about to be here and of course we had Dylan Beavers on the way up and we just had this plethora of outfielders and Everybody think looked So bright and then the right to 2025 injuries and some regressions and then you think well that was just a weird down year Like that's just bizarre So let's run it back at 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, go back go back to our 2026 Places and show as we were making our predictions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We think we're running away with this thing

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and to Eli says credit for 2026, he brings in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He addresses the offense by bringing a Lanzo and Ward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He addresses the pitching by bringing in BAS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we have people coming back from injury, like Braddish, he addresses the closure situation with Housley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, we have those injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He addressed them, we have these young players who had down years last year, they'll bounce back this year and let's go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but it just hasn't happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gunner hit his peak at 22.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I hope not, but maybe so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So far, this is best year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the young players haven't evolved like we thought they would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have had had, I mean Jordan Westburg's been playing by injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of injuries to Adly this year, but it's just, it's just,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just amazing how set up we were to kind of dominate the ALEs and make the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at 2023 and 2024 and how quickly, I mean, that's the 2024 feels like 10 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just two years ago, a year and a half ago, we were thinking this is going to be a freaking perennial playoff team and now it feels like what scenario is there that we can actually write the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it feels like we failed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, and it's not even like, you take Adley's been hurt a bunch this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you take that away and you look at the team on the field and it's not that much different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, this team can still win, but it doesn't feel that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like trading Adley means to rebuild to failure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which it doesn't mean that we still have other parts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think back to one thing Michaelis said at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was he didn't say I want to bring a world series to Baltimore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said I want to be competitive every year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel a little bit like the Adley trade is that competitive every year is looking beyond twenty twenty seven and saying when I can't resign Adley when I can't resign gunner I still need reserves in here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still need to stay competitive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's hard to look at that now when we haven't want to play off game yet with Michael Lys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And listening to Michael Lys' comments, he sound to me as shocked at anybody, as anybody, that this thing hasn't worked out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, because he did the process, he drafted the right guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They showed all the signs of promise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then Colton Cowes or Gunner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Henry said, I think all of these regression periods.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I think, from my collection perspective, he was like, I did, I made all the right moves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Except this freaking thing is harder than it looks because due to injuries, which is a legit thing that sad relis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And kind of just people not being as good as they first were and just kind of regressing to kind of where we are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's so many ways to go about and look at this trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the first thing to address is the emotions of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: None of us want to see Adley go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Adley is the face of the organization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at least when Manning Machata was traded, we saw it coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was his final year, the Oriol sucked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like we expected to make it run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're here all season, we've seen glimpses that, hey, maybe we can sneak into that wildcard spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think even in there were rumors of Adley, you didn't really think they were gonna trade Adley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and I have a couple of questions for you, but before that, the, I think the minimum child comparison is apt

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think in that scenario, I think we were refusing to offer an extension.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And much out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't going to happen, but we thought that we could put another good year together, um, similar to kind of this team where you thought you could put another good year together, but it just failed and it completely failed and our return from a shadow, I mean, all we got back now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was valuable was Dean Cramer in the piece and so doing now moved again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the return was much more significant, at least on paper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, we'll get for Adley because a year and a half of Adley is a lot better than just six months of Machado.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and we'll get to the return because I do think the Red Sox overpaid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in retrospect, with the Machado deal, we should have done his extended time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the plan B should have been traded him when he had a year and a half left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in that respect, I think, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This might be learning from past and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then remember, what the final results of the Machado trade was fire in the GM.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it failed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it might be where we end up here as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I agree, this is like, symbolically, it does feel like the end of what was the beginning of this new era of this baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is my colise admitting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that and good for him, I guess, because I think the mistake is to have something broken and keep on trying to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for him for saying, okay, this is not, we need to end ship things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it says Elias is admitting that his whole rebuilt thing is not working on his time schedule that he was into.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which will make the offseason, I don't want to jump to the offseason, but it will make the offseason interesting because before Pete

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was hesitant to bring in outside help because he saw these young people coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now when he sees the young reserves that alone does a work, I'm curious to see if he addresses things differently this offseason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, already, I think we're seeing a little bit of change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's in philosophy or something, but he was so focused on, you know, college hitters and the bats and like, we'll figure out the starting pitching later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When a lot of these trades are for the start, and we had a lot of starting pitching prospects to our system this past week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we did, we did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the Orioles put out a welcome to Baltimore, and it was like 10 players, and it's we got a lot back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so let me actually, these just stupid scenario questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to ask.

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[SPEAKER_00]: would the Adley-Rutchman trade have gone down if these couple of things didn't work out a little bit differently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my first one, would the Adley-Rutchman trade have gone down if Boston didn't overpay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think we were shopping Adley will take the best offer or did Boston blow us away?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the only way we did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think, and Elias did say pre-trade that in order to trade Adley, it would have to take a hall with his term.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and he even admitted when we had Rod, added Rodgers as the backup catcher, that one of the reasons is he didn't know what would happen in the trade deadline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Implying that Adley could be moved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and funny that they moved Rodgers as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I hope you enjoyed this time in Baltimore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so no, it would not have happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's why I think the Red Sox sent so much that if I can take away fandom, and that's part of this whole conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fan of Offices and Analytics in front office where we have a lot of people who aren't

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[SPEAKER_01]: necessarily, Baltimore fans, they want to put up one in team together, but they're not, doesn't love the orange black like we do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We brought in a lot of front office people from outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a different mindset where I can say, if I'm just looking in an Excel sheet, the Red Sox paid three times what they should have paid for Adley, and how do you say no to that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, especially going into a potential lockout, which without another discussion, we have to have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that, that was my next one, Josh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you think the Adley, Regiment deal would have happened if there was no lockout looming in the future.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, because I don't think the Red Sox would have given up so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Red Sox made a determination that we need to go all out now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking from a different perspective in that if a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say there's no baseball in 20 seven for bid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That means we would have gotten all those prospects just for a few months of Adley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Boston would just have a few months of Adley right and miss out on that whole of the year for Adley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that's right for the highest there's motivation now because oh, we might not even have them for the full year next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but I also think that's why Boston ever paid and said we need to win this year because next year might not happen and that's just means everyone gets older.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next question, do you think the trade would have gone down if we swept the fillies?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you were narrowing it down to one series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because remember the trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a great question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That tiger's comeback was amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'd get two or three tigers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we were riding that high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, we

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just came off the braves where we lost one run games like it was tight games for a week before that Yep, all right, but you want to bring it down to that one series We came out of that series we would have been above 500 And we would have been within a half game of the wild card if I've got that right

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[SPEAKER_00]: That might be true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not just that we lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we won the first game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we came back and actually 7th and come back and then we got blown out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we lost zero to 13 combined the next two games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we swept the fillies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This trade would have still happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because Adley Ruchman was not on the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: During this, so you have that justification of He's been injured three times already this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can still make the push.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The red socks are all for in a hall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll make the push and the differences if we, Adly would have still been traded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we might have brought someone in and made a move if we were, if we did win that series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sweet that series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Adly's traded, but then we also brought in pieces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the state, the Orioles are in,

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[SPEAKER_01]: What Elias, the best case for Elias, would have been to sell Adley and make a big move in, so it looks like we're not sellers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We might not be buyers, but we're not sellers, where you're selling Adley and you can make all the justifications because it makes total sense, but you're also still trying to win this year if you made a move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's what the Blue Jays did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Blue Jays traded their expiring contracts at Ruchman, but then also traded for Jose Soryano from the angels, gave us some prospects to get a guy who's going to be their starter for the next three years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we could have addressed outfield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the example answer is the word trade would not have happened if we swept the fillies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the word trade still would happen, but I would have like to see, I don't know, that's sure I don't know if the word trade would have happened, but I wouldn't like to get my deck, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay, how about this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What if we not just swept the fillets?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What if we were sitting solid in a wild card spot?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you still trade Adley at the deadline?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, probably not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let me ask you this question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say we are, would you trade Adley F, same scenario, everything's the same, except seven of Bassayo is not there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dizzist trade is this trade about Bassayo being the future of the country.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't make this move without Bassayo there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Bassayo's not there, you're continuing to try to extend Ruchman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that brings me to my last one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What Adley of trade have gone down F,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Elias didn't come out right doesn't say this, but so easy to read between the lines, that Addy Ruchman wasn't very interested in signing an extension.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly, do you think if extension talks with Adly had any traction?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there was any possibility of an extension with Adley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the trade still would have gone down?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or was this about Adley not wanting to resign?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Understandably, too, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if Adley's going to be splitting time at catcher, or whatever, he might not want to take this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's a, isn't he a Boris guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not going to take it to, I think he might be one of those guys that is not a Boris guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have so many Boris guys I get confused.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know holiday and gunner, I believe, a Boris guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But clearly the extension talks weren't happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he is represented by the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Orioles?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it sounds like a complete adventure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's Boris' organization, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just sports agency and see the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: See, it's a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so, but I also don't, I don't think Adley wanted out a Baltimore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he wanted to let his contract play out and reach free agency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for agency, so let's say for agency hits, and you're my Elias, are you really, and I, I think you want to bring me back on a good deal, but let's say he doesn't want to take the team friendly deal like Braddish or Baz or Poseilot did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to take it to for agency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you have to, I mean, you saw a Boston paid in prospects, and you have to compete with Boston.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the Yankees and all these other teams for a catcher that's going to be a split catcher for you and they want them to be the full-time catcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a hard time thinking that resource-wise for a part-time catcher we could compete with Boston and the Yankees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I think for me I think it's more of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rumor is that I'd return down two contract extensions this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the Orioles were lowball on him with the idea of split split in time behind the plate, because even post-trade allows commented that he wants Bassalo to catch 80 games a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, he does not like the idea of a four-time catcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to split this time, which means you're not going to pay as much because you're going to say, hey, you're only there half the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, I would love to know what we offered at Rochman, but I can see him turning it down twice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of pushes the chips in one direction, sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I ask one for you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Gunner Henderson, I'm putting this all on one player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Gunner Henderson had the kind of year he had last year, would have the Rochman has been traded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, well, that could's back to if we're in a wild card spot, then probably a hundred percent because I think if Gunner played like he did last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the biggest part of the team two years ago when he was two years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Gunner improved this team not only is on a wild card spot, but maybe has division talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, you know, it was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was watching the Elias press conference off the tray.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate Elias press conferences.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's terrible, but I think it's pretty transparent to his detriment sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he also just straight lies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he said, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they asked him, like, are you going to address the team about all these trades?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's responsible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't really thought about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no plan on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then he ended up doing it with Alibi and addressing it because he's a computer guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's an analytics guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The person on our action sometimes goes over his head, poor guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really care that much about that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's why you have a manager to have those conversations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was curious, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: A little curious because Ruchman is beloved in that clubhouse, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's he is something close friends with people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that talk we love about this team is how tight they are as they all kind of come up together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even they're all very.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even we also, we also have the story that I'd leave found the help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was getting traded while going to the movies with Gunner and Colton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And apparently Ben McDonald was there too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he was right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Adly, Gunner, and Colton were going to see Spider-Man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess in the lobby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another Spider-Man, the guy stopped making the Spider-Man movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the lobby, they ran into Ben McDonald.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who was going to see a different movie?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What movie do you think Ben McDonald was going to see?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the Odyssey?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The obviously, yeah, I mean, it's an easy one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only two gigantic wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only move I could name, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what we're talking about, I had a point I want to make and now I've got sidetracked here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alias, post game, post game, alias addressing the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was curious with how the players would respond.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to the players' credits, leading with Alonzo, was such a great team leader.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To the teams' credit, they're like, this is on us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, these trades, if we would have played better,

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[SPEAKER_00]: these trades won't have happened and I think the other question trade probably would have happened even to play better but that's it too because you have Sammy Vaselo yes and because of all the other things Josh so so let's go real quick through the reads of trade them but did you see Colton cows were trying to hold back tears yeah it was pretty upset I know but again and he recognizes this so I'm not they're not telling yeah look in the mirror right right and they all they all also know like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like those they'll see Adley in a month and they'll hang out in the offseason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how it goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Adley goes, what do you think Adley's going to get offered a bigger contract?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Baltimore or Boston?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How Boston?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and now I mean, let the bit in between, you know, the Dodgers, the Yankees, the Reds X War.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the reason this trade happens, I mean, every reason in the world, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like already have a new catcher who's younger and locked up next eight years, it gives our roster more flexibility when we're not carrying two full-time catchers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, when you trade him now, his trade value would never be better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He actually had a decent first half of the season out for having a down year, a down two years, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was never going to sign an extension with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we can the injuries were starting to pile up now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can put other resources like financial resources into other areas that the team is going to need going forward and next to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like all the reason the world of trade from a spreadsheet perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my question for you is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why did we not expect this even though there was speculation and why does it hurt so bad when we knew it makes all the sense Well, I don't think it was shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean we were talking about this in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I Yeah, we haven't discussions about trade now So it's not like this came out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was more of oh we can't believe they actually did it

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, kind of, kind of didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He tweeted this out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That teams, and I think this is the case of the Orioles, that teams set a high-askin price.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And almost always no one meets those, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you hear about teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the asking price was high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know if it's for anyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the case where the asking price was actually met.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was super high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Elias from his perspective is sitting in the best possible position to make a trade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still got another year control over Adley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're competitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't like he doesn't need to make the trade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like Adley's going and let me just take the best offer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, you've got to blow me away or I'm not trading him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Boston blew us away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, and now because of all those reasons, I'm all right with this trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It hurts because I think about when we first started this podcast a long time ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing we would talk about with baseball is how baseball does a horrible job market in their players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they've gotten better at that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in Baltimore specifically, they pushed Adley Ratchman, where Adley Ratchman was the face of the Orioles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the Oriole Bird and Adley Ratchman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what baseball should be doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's short of sting when you have to, when it's time to let that player go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's probably a larger discussion we made here Josh about mid to small market teams like the Tigers like Orioles who give up their star players to larger market teams and why that happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think that all speaks to LaLock that, which we'll have to talk about at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it makes me feel like it's the same thing when I tell people all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Coward can junior will always be my favorite baseball player because his entire career he was on my home team I make entire childhood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to cheer for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes my childhood favorite player Mike Messina a little bit more complicated Yes, it does but But it's also like I understand That cow a whole a player in Baltimore the entire life span will never happen again Even if you happen a mic drop, would you play a mic drop right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Mike Trouts and I, Mike Trouts and odd spot because he has been in California his entire career or what is it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Los Angeles now, I always want to call him the California Angel still, but he's been there at his entire career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The team has sucked pretty much it's entire time there, but he stays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know his agent has talked to him about going to bigger markets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be it's a rarity and it will continue to be a rarity to have players stay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here are two opinions about the adly thing that I just want except and I'm hearing this and I what I reject these opinions outright.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shut up if you're so I think there's a lot of stupid people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, my computer just buzzed, and it is a text message from someone who I haven't spoken to in months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all it says is something about Adley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm definitely going to listen to the podcast about Adley Trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel sad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's how we all feel is like just sad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a lot of people who are turning to hate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Locking for is turning this into the organization so horrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that's the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't mind that take as much because I mean, this was just your attempted rebuild and you failed at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm actually, I'm not there in my thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not screaming at Mike Elias, but I like, I know you, you taught Street Report has been putting out some articles about, you know, Elias beat being a failure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think that's, I just thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I support those takes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did Mike Elias objectively has not achieved what he was set here to achieve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did I send you the article from I think it was the New York Times where they yeah I can't open it because I don't have a subscription to No, that article's free.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't free for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, what was when I sent it in that article they are pretty blunt about a lie is being a failure and they say about Our owner Ruminstein.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they say who apparently never watches ball games and thinks Michael lies is this amazing GM

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he got a promotion last year after I had a terrible year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, with the takes that you won't handle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one and I just saw this part in the show is some guy doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had, he has an Orioles podcast or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw him on Facebook saying ultimately concluding this was a good trade because Adley Ruchman is not very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll check that again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you think, are there arrangements not good?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are your expectations?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you been watching the catchers?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The always haven't thrown out there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how they're watching its injury?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So how can you watch the catchers that we've been throwing out there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And still conclude that other arrangements not good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't, I don't, these ideas that he is not a very good player or catcher anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I don't, I reject that wholeheartedly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just look at his war over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, since he's been here, he's been haven't gone or have been our two best highest war gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even, so they've been here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's one of the top and war and baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Countries who can hit are hard to find and his defensive metrics too are excellent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the Boston Reset's got a good catch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to hear that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the next take I don't want to hear is that we have now become a

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[SPEAKER_00]: a player development organization for other teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like the tiger, I mean kind of like like the riots or the race with pitching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but specifically the pirates who draft all these good players and then by the time it comes to pay them trade them away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, oddly it comes time to pay and we trade them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gunner comes time to pay and we trade them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time one of these stars that we kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, develop becomes a free agent, we trade them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I reject that, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe this is wishful thinking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, didn't we just sign fast and bradish and bassayo to extensions?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't we just sign a lot of non-zo to a huge contract?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think we're going to be a super cheap organization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Elias said, and I believe him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That Rubenstein gave him no parameter in terms of budget like he was not at the trade line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was it wasn't asked to cut budget or anything that and he could take on more budget if he didn't which I wouldn't give you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But but I don't think we're going to be just a kind of farm system for other teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's why I reject also that our window is closed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because we have this foundation of guys extended as you just mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we have a timeline on Gunner and Westburg and Holiday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have chances to extend all those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have time still.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have gratis, you've got guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I wrote when all my ramblings, one of the questions I asked myself that kind of went through, is does this team feel like we're still heading the right direction?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think about the Alonso signings, I think about the extensions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of every Oreo player who has the last name that starts with a B, with that as a Russian Pesayo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think about, you know, when the criticisms has been, oh, we can't develop starting pitching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think about Brandon Young, what he's done this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think about how we have some really good young pitchers who are now on the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at our top 30 prospects, our top 15 prospects.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think about eight of them are pitchers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Outfield, the outfield, the whole outfield experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Has been a nightmare with a hazard cursed at Bradfield even like Vantani cut It's just been a disaster in the outfield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to do something about that But I'm like him what I'm saying about beavers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think beavers might work out and if you look at a Josh in terms of I also looked up players who are 25 years old or younger so these are the youngest players baseball 25 or younger We got a whole crop basayo holiday mayo

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[SPEAKER_00]: Beavers, Garner, just in the hitting side, we have a bunch of players who are still developing and still young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, look at Kate Povitch last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had to come out and make a statement and he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when we do have, it's interesting to watch too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, it's not going to be for another couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's like three really interesting and intriguing center field prospects.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, nature, the guy would just trade it for Andy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Eric with Jr. We just drafted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the pride all two or three years away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the question, is what do we do until then?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and we don't want to be this team that's perennial.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we got prospects, prospects, we've seen how that works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See how that works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You need major legors here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But all that to say is, it feels like the pitching is in a pretty good place this year and going forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to do some of the outfield, but we still have the same core in field, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of Westburg when he comes back, Mayo, Gunner, Holiday, Alonzo,

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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are going anywhere in the next couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, and we have to look at that form system, we just got a ton of stuff from the Red Sox.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're number two, they're number four, they're number five or six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who becomes our number one, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who becomes our number one, maybe your number one and two might be in that mix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we got good arms from them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's plenty of excitement there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the emotions tied to Adley being the face of the organization that hurts and in a similar way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Adley's fault, but just like when Matt Weeders was caught up, we celebrated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, uh, it was the next common Matt Weeders is here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This organization's going to turn around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did the same exact thing with Adley Rutsman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Adley Rutsman was a one-one and a higher prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But because of the expectations, similar expectations, where we thought one player would change it was going to change the direction of this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just really hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard to repeatedly be competitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to have lots of injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to have depth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to have all these things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to develop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're asking 26 guys to all play pretty good at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, there was a couple interesting questions just posed in blogs and articles recently that I thought we could address this speaks to that comment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is from the Baltimore banner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The headline of the article was, Michael lies just traded away the symbol of his own rebuild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why should oil fans trust him anymore?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Judge, where are you at in terms of Michael, I has trust and then maybe we can

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[SPEAKER_01]: the that on Twitter that the response all over the place was I would see the Oral's left off and then it's a video of the Challenger exploding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I I whether that's wrong I think it's been enough years and it's okay and I find the humor that that the cause of that was the o-ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Elias will never out of the words left off again in his life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes he will never say left off because even when he said left off we were like all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we really left off because you didn't sign a picture?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We weren't still concerned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And left off never happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We never got the lift off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: whether you want to or not, I had the judgment with the face of the new rebuild and you failed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's up to you to prove it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got my attention this office and with the pedal arms are signing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a huge move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the extensions are very significant too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the extensions

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you that wasn't happening under no duquette or even if that wasn't happening whether that's on a Elias or ownership whatever we've got new owner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got all I it was new GM.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so much different than the Angelos and two cat And all that is good silence alone so the extensions all good silence Now prove to me that we can win so it's I'm not gonna Fire my Elias

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[SPEAKER_01]: But because everyone, like, things fail, but I have a lot of questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have questions for Michael Harris, how do we make our strength and condition and better?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we get,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know everyone's got injuries, but how do we get things better?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we get more consistent?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've noticed this team and it might be a Craig Albertan as move, but this team this year, more than any team I've ever seen, has been doing, well, any Orioles organization I remember, has been doing pre-game in field drills.

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[SPEAKER_01]: over and over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see it all the time where instead of even when we were in Detroit instead of that in practice, it was defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is one of the worst defensive teams I've seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Orioles defense this year is constant them games all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you fix that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it on coaches?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it how do you fix the injury issue?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it strengthen conditioning?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you fix the lack of production is it line up construction?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it we stop using analytics?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it that holiday play every day?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you do this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's things now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you get the players?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Huh?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do they plays every day now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does now, but he wasn't before for enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you fix that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where there's a lot of questions and then go into the soft season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, the rebuild didn't work the way you planned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone makes everyone has hiccups and problems.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you address it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you bounce back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I want to see this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I wonder how much the injury tends to be like players, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you see players repeatedly get injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think one answer to that is get rid of these players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what he did with Grace from Regus, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said it out and get out and get out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Grace from Regus, by the way, looked really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it looked pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which, of course, he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Terrible, every game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, you gotta know he comes in with that extra motivation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: so good for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He pitched well and he's still lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to, I still think Elias or like his great at trades.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, I mean, he's done so much for the organization in terms of developing internationally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We built that, we've got that Dominican facility that just opened up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we know he can build a strong farm system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, any, any he was, I mean, he got this team to 100 wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got this team to an ALE title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but so did Dan to Cat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes he just was getting to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The question is, can you extend this thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, it doesn't, for me, Josh, he doesn't feel like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not rebuilding here because we just signed all those guys to extensions right there's no rebuild which is why I would like to see us make a move for a guy with some control going for next year because it seems like We have a couple needs to address going forward in the next year right and so you will like to see him dress some as a deadline but It just feels like we're retooling and I feel I mean we can still be competitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just when Kramer came back off injury

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the other pictures, Braddish and Roger were hitting their stride baths.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like holidays now playing a lot better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like, I don't know, can we just run this back from the beginning again, and I think we'd be okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, it just, it's just been a really, I still think this year, I'm, I'm in it, like I'm watching the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I still think we can make a playoff spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we get Barcelona back from this lineup, we can make that push.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where it's weird because it hurts losing Adley and I was angry at first, but it makes sense and it doesn't really affect this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that picture, who's now at everyone's prospect, he could be up as early as next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he could be helping our attention as early as 2020 sub.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, that's huge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at his number, and that kid is buying Mike Domny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Double A. Mike, don't say this guy's going to be up so we're fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just call me Mike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm tough and I'm like the last.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I thought you were like, we're making a, you forgot what podcast you were on for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't think of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm tough and I'm like the last.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, we've gone too many years of saying the Cavalry's coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I know that's why I'm not putting all my hopes on, you know, Nate George or Eric Booth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, go get us an outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pitch in and you know what, work something out with Trevor Rogers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Josh, why wasn't Trevor Rodgers is on the final year of his deal?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I fastened it by this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love it so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why wasn't Trevor Rodgers traded?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to be, it has to be contract negotiations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he said earlier that there was no talk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Trevor Rodgers and Trevor Rodgers has came out and said, I'm not dealing with any of that until the off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes with my agents want to, but I'm not, I'm not doing anything until the off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it sounds like the Orioles hadn't really approached me either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it sounds like they haven't because he said not to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it...

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, he could...

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's pitching well enough this year to turn down a qualifying offer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And make money this self-season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's my thing, like the Wi-Fi and offer will be for 22 and a half million or something for one year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so for the oil's perspective, if he turns that down, you get a compensation of a back of the end, back of the first round draft pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you don't want that, you want driver Rogers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but I'm saying trade deadline wise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would under if the whatever they were offering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They thought, oh no, the prospect we get back from a first round pick would be better than what that team is offering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that I offer vouchers is the most one of the most underappreciated starting pictures in all the baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it sounds like a lie to me and a lie to realize what he has.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Compared to other things you're going to get in for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the qualifying offers an option.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think there's at least been conversations of I'd like to stay here, my clients happy here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's talked as soon as the season ends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Roger says all the great things about Baltimore, I think he is to be here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'd we helped turn his career around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a combination of, yeah, that you have to take that qualifying offer, a draft pick in Do account.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I really think it's, hey, we're gonna be considerate with this player and wait till the office is in a giver quest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think as soon as the office is in start, we extend Trevor Rogers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we don't even get to the qualifying offer point, but if something fails and we can't, then we can fall back on that qualifying offer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think Trevor Rogers gets extended first thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah i i think it's i think it's a little bit different the reasons i think and i know kind of reasons to say this but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rogers performance has been such up and down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been at times the best picture and baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't have what he's worth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so it's, I think from my life's perspective, like am I paying for an ace or am I paying for a back and arm?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what am I?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm fascinating to see how much you even signs for it by us or by someone else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you pay for his kind of how good he's been at moments?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's why I think you get a two to three-year extension nailed down without even addressing the qualifying offer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I love Rogers and I hope he extend it and that would put three good pictures Under contract and then I think you can fill in the gaps with some of your these jumps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have coming up?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think we extend another player before the end of the season?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Josh, do you think this spells the end?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about Gunnar?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How does that throw on the top of it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your next extensions the extensions everyone's looking for is Gunnar in holiday

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Gunner comes up a four holiday, so Gunner comes up a four so that's the one everyone's waiting on but Gunner's a Scott Boris client I think the Orioles are intrigued to do it now because Gunners have an a down here and the time ends right for they don't want to go into being this situation next year like they are with Adley this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean Gunner has but I can't see Scott Boris allowing any agents

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it doesn't make sense for going to sign on a down year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You think they're just not going to score and say, unless you should sign an extension or we're going to have to trade you away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to say buy a coat and buy the Jordan unless you sign this paper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he has this year and then two more years in a contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have two and a half years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next year, he's in the Adley Watchman situation, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next year's trade deadline, same exact situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what makes him so intriguing, even more so is Adley is the age thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's just turned 25.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's younger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so he'll be a free agent when what he's 28 right and I mean that's a 28 year old free agent gets paid right and a Scott Boris client gets paid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I You want to get you want to get the

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Mike Elias wants to get people off his back and get them to get that he's just traded away the face You extend Gunner Henderson immediately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you can't Josh doesn't add Okay, so we couldn't really we made the playoffs twice that right, but unable to take the next step Yeah, isn't there added pressure now with Gunner and Gunner needs to play better first of all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah Don't have a horrible year isn't there added pressure to like while Gunners here

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we need to win like we can't we can't push this thing out any further like we got a win the next two years right cuz the Yeah, the face of this organization quickly shifts the gun her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if we repeat this if we have the same conversation next year Let's say we're having a down oh next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we're a farm system team and gunners freaking out on a hot streak and we trade gunner Yeah, all back as unbelievable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, then we're having the conversation the pirates fans have a virtual farm system for the teams

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think you have, you have to be talking to Scott Boris.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be working something out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to pay more than what you want to pay this year for Garner because you're not going to get him on a deal because he's having a down year because nobody believes this is the real Garner Henderson this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that being said, we've been saying all season, Garner's going to hop out of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've never seen

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[SPEAKER_01]: where he cannot get out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this happens, and players all the time come to Tucker's terrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Riley's terrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, players are bad for whole years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vlad Guerrero is having a real down here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, players are bad for whole year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like what's happening with Gunners never happened on the baseball player before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Feel got him some new ADHD medicine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that the set to deal?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was the Christmas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They never, they never really worked out it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I never tried that to really work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I guess we're on the same page where emotionally it hurts, but we understand the Adly trade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and now kind of what comes next, and that's where my other article headline was from St. Maleski and his title of his article was, after the Ruchman deal, where do the world goes from here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, yeah, as far as this season, it doesn't change anything with this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, this Franklin guy's kind of intriguing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This new outfit we got from the Nationals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, did he play last night, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was his major league debut last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's speedy, he got on base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's I'm intrigued by it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes you not need to pick up or hey, Mateo off waivers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got released yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was off to hot start too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it makes you not, I mean, the guy who should have been brought up when Ward was traded was either cursed or Enrique Bradford Jr. And I think it says something about them too that Elias is like, no, let me get this AAA player from the Nationals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here in stead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an indictment against those two guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, unfortunately it is, so it's not a bad field to be ready by now, and Chris said it's a whole different story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Chris that was hot two for a minute, and I thought it was like one for his last 22 in the past few games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Darn it, Rush.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And come on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not giving up on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not as we said before, it's not a trade that means a season to over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm still locked in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still like, we're still what couple of half games, three games maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But are we out of the wild card?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think our playoff chances on Grand Grafs are somewhere around 15 percent, which I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, when we traded Adley, how many games back were we?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel we were always two, two and a half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what we're all today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are one and a half games back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really after this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah last night's win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess everyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess teams ahead of us lost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we're one and a half games back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have the Texas Rangers who we play this weekend ahead of us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the other thing about the deadline look look at there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got um, braves tigers with school believing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we had a tough July and then the fillies kind of a gauntlet and then after that it sees lester teams who were fighting well, so you almost wish could we got flipped them and I think we might have been in a different spot if we were playing the.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the thing or the deadline to lie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone talked about the Boston Red Tests having an amazing July and the best record in baseball in July.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But did you see where the Orioles July ranked?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It made me feel like baseball?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Second best record in July.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was playing all those tough teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now we have the angels who we should be able to sweep the angels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not good, but we only put up three rounds yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there are offense always conserved to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we've got Rogers today and Brandon Young tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been really happy with how young looks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, young, what do we some like 18 and five or something in the games that he starts to be able to incredible record?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he is he is eight and two alone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because we the opposite of bats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We put up runs when Brandon young pitches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't make errors like we do with bats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but that means we've got radish and bats to kick off in Texas this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After that, we go to Minnesota again, a team that's ready to head of us in the wild card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just mentioned, we're one and a half games back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Texas is one game back, Minnesota is one game back and we play both of those games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's got to be wild.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's six games where it's like people that want to give up on this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We could be in a wild card spot in a couple of days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This weekend, which, again, makes me a little frustrated that Elias didn't do more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, bye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sal, and by, you can do both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he must feel really good about this national South fielder, because that's where we needed help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other national is out of filter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jacob, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we've gone almost an hour on just Adley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we need to cover real quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why the word trade stings me a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm not impressed with the return.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoyed word and I hope field has been a struggle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess I'm with it with both these deals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was listening to the on the verge podcast because I want to hear their perspective on the on the on the prospects and how they framed it kind of makes a little bit sense in my mind like and this is because I was I don't understand the wells trade the wells trade makes no sense to me except except for this wells has never gotten up to wells potential.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw flashes where he could be a good starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've never gotten up to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this season alone, he's given up a lot of long balls late in games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But from the verge perspective, I thought there was a good point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you take the well straight, you're trading a year and a half of wells.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if everyone's healthy for the world, he is a middle reliever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And potentially back, you're getting back Michael Ferret, who they view as maybe a fourth starter, third, fourth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you get a starter back,

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[SPEAKER_00]: for the next five years compared to, you know, a year and a half of the middle reliever, that's a trade you'll take all day every day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think of Wells as a back end bullpen guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but you're right if Batista was here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it helped me with here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've seen the update on Batista?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why he's throwing now again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's throwing to live batters now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's I'm shocked by that whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that means they are planning on hand

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which would be great going into next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also blaze, I don't have to come and come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But not going into next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could have but Tista in September in the back end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still skeptical of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he had like rotator cuffs or something shorter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, Leibrom and then rotate their shelf.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that sounds like I don't know if you can go back and pitch in high-level situations, right for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I hope so because we could be in a wild card spot next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the similar thing with with with ward, if you can trade half a year of ward and get back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, we got back what three or four bullpen pieces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If one of those guys turns into an author 100.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then one of those guys turns into a bullpen piece for the next five, six years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That and those guys the reason I kind of do like the war trade is all those bullpen guys are like Guys it can throw hard and they're all like 2526 Yeah, they're gonna be here next year or even September.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're gonna be this year and next year They're not 18 year old guys from okay Florida goes golf coast league So I'm actually better with the war trade as we need bullpen help, and I think Those four guys if one or two of them work out.

57:18.161 --> 57:18.901
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good trade

57:21.170 --> 57:24.533
[SPEAKER_00]: I, okay, I'm okay with all that then, and it didn't graper.

57:25.894 --> 57:27.676
[SPEAKER_00]: I, that's the last trade.

57:27.776 --> 57:29.657
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I've been hating on Kramer all year.

57:30.298 --> 57:35.982
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because we hate people who are just exceed expectations throughout their entire life.

57:36.102 --> 57:37.023
[SPEAKER_00]: See the expectations.

57:37.043 --> 57:39.865
[SPEAKER_01]: He did, John, he was the throw-in at no point.

57:39.905 --> 57:40.866
[SPEAKER_00]: The Machado deal.

57:41.266 --> 57:45.670
[SPEAKER_01]: At no point, at no point this year did he deserve to be a starter.

57:46.900 --> 57:51.887
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Josh, if you look at his career with the world, he was an average good starter.

57:52.148 --> 57:53.029
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a guess.

57:53.169 --> 57:57.496
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, do you know how many MLB pitchers will you?

57:57.536 --> 58:00.961
[SPEAKER_00]: He'll, to just be, to have Dean Kramer's career.

58:02.242 --> 58:08.768
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean that the twins who are also in a playoff run, we're willing to trade for Dean Cramer because they need a fifth starter on their team.

58:09.409 --> 58:14.934
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why everyone can't be bradish and Garrett Cole.

58:15.434 --> 58:16.175
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Dean Cramer, dude.

58:16.195 --> 58:17.016
[SPEAKER_00]: Dean Cramer, dude.

58:17.036 --> 58:18.877
[SPEAKER_01]: Dean Cramer, dude again for Tiger's last week.

58:19.798 --> 58:22.160
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, he's had a rough season.

58:22.200 --> 58:23.361
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not just disputing that.

58:23.701 --> 58:29.585
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you look at his whole career with Orioles, he's been a really respectable career.

58:29.865 --> 58:31.126
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been respectable career.

58:31.206 --> 58:34.488
[SPEAKER_00]: And for a judge in the midst of how much we talk about, and I know he's injured this year.

58:34.508 --> 58:37.690
[SPEAKER_00]: But prior to this, he's reliable, stable.

58:37.970 --> 58:41.933
[SPEAKER_00]: We had so many, and we had guys coming in, we had old man coming to the organization.

58:41.953 --> 58:43.414
[SPEAKER_00]: We had injuries, or anything.

58:43.654 --> 58:43.854
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

58:43.874 --> 58:44.054
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

58:48.037 --> 58:53.640
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Dean Cramer has been a stable low for ERA picture for the Orioles for many years.

58:54.000 --> 58:58.523
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this year he was six, seven, something like that much higher.

58:58.983 --> 59:06.747
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, I, I hated the, I've been hating on Dean Cramer all year because I see potential in Brandon young.

59:06.887 --> 59:11.810
[SPEAKER_01]: I see potential in, in Kate Povet and I want and Dean Cramer took opportunities away.

59:12.849 --> 59:25.872
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I hate to say it, Josh, but the reason I know Povich got the start, but the main reason I think he was straight at is because we got the 50-year-old bass, who's coming back here and uh, yes, yes, and then we can go back into.

59:26.312 --> 59:27.553
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so hopefully that's good.

59:28.013 --> 59:34.354
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the Kramer thing, this is the perfect kind of you can sell without hurting your team really.

59:34.414 --> 59:37.675
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a huge setback and that's how we say this kind of two.

59:37.955 --> 59:47.201
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you save some money as well as he's getting up in the arbitration years and you get an intriguing like wild card in the 18-year-old guy who has a lot of skill and talent.

59:47.842 --> 59:53.946
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm okay with the Kramer trade, but again, I don't want to hear this Kramer's terrible Kramer sucks day.

59:54.026 --> 59:54.466
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know.

59:54.626 --> 59:55.147
[SPEAKER_00]: He's fine.

59:55.287 --> 59:56.167
[SPEAKER_00]: He was easy.

59:56.207 --> 59:59.770
[SPEAKER_00]: Much needed solid armamenter rotation for the past four or five years.

01:00:01.435 --> 01:00:03.717
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 171 in and last year.

01:00:04.337 --> 01:00:05.558
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you've come on now.

01:00:05.798 --> 01:00:06.318
[SPEAKER_01]: Who else?

01:00:06.579 --> 01:00:07.839
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a team innings?

01:00:07.859 --> 01:00:08.240
[SPEAKER_00]: Who else?

01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:08.680
[SPEAKER_00]: Who else?

01:00:08.900 --> 01:00:09.581
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't know.

01:00:09.641 --> 01:00:10.441
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the whole team.

01:00:10.461 --> 01:00:14.424
[SPEAKER_01]: I just have Kramer's stats in front of me.

01:00:14.644 --> 01:00:17.306
[SPEAKER_01]: 171, 129, 172, 125, the past four years.

01:00:18.687 --> 01:00:20.909
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's been, he's been solid, he's been fine.

01:00:23.230 --> 01:00:23.811
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:00:24.311 --> 01:00:27.233
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I hate him Kramer more because you love Kramer so much.

01:00:29.465 --> 01:00:39.974
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, last year, yeah, pitch in the most games last year, in the third pitch in 31 games last year, you go to the next season.

01:00:40.054 --> 01:00:42.116
[SPEAKER_00]: He's there too, pitch in 24 games.

01:00:42.837 --> 01:00:43.558
[SPEAKER_00]: They did the year before.

01:00:43.598 --> 01:00:51.385
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's just, I mean, he's just, and you look at some of the names that ran through here in terms of pitching over the past, you know, five years.

01:00:52.453 --> 01:01:20.575
[SPEAKER_00]: the year before that patient 32 games and every year 4.12 right right right around there every single year so I don't I don't I mean would you rather have at this point gracemer regus career or Dean Kramer's career No, no, no Dean Kramer Dean Kramer I got you all right, and I'm glad we were able to move him and and make room Yeah, so no, so it's that's it's not the problem is that

01:01:22.216 --> 01:01:26.839
[SPEAKER_01]: The Orioles, the Orioles, are in it, we gain a game.

01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:28.660
[SPEAKER_01]: We're one and a half games out of the wild card.

01:01:29.901 --> 01:01:34.685
[SPEAKER_01]: All these moves on paper look like huge trades and great moves that Michael highest made.

01:01:35.065 --> 01:01:37.346
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got good value for it, seems like I forgot what you're doing.

01:01:37.366 --> 01:01:42.590
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you got rid of the emotional face of your rebuild at the Ruchman.

01:01:42.610 --> 01:01:44.571
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone is gonna hate on you.

01:01:45.592 --> 01:01:45.752
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:01:45.932 --> 01:01:50.696
[SPEAKER_01]: And stupid people are gonna say, that means the seasons over, that means the rebuilds over.

01:01:51.416 --> 01:02:00.961
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes, the rebuilds over, but now that doesn't mean you start this thought that once the rebuilds over you start rebuilding from scratch again.

01:02:01.481 --> 01:02:03.582
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole point is to never go through a rebuild.

01:02:03.622 --> 01:02:05.863
[SPEAKER_00]: That's been a life's whole thing since you got here.

01:02:05.923 --> 01:02:07.224
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're going to build again.

01:02:07.284 --> 01:02:08.485
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're never going to do it again.

01:02:08.505 --> 01:02:10.666
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to build sustainable winners when the team every year.

01:02:10.766 --> 01:02:11.446
[SPEAKER_01]: And we are there.

01:02:12.087 --> 01:02:16.109
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is not being one and a half the marlins win tank, win tank.

01:02:16.149 --> 01:02:16.869
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's how we're doing.

01:02:17.089 --> 01:02:24.171
[SPEAKER_01]: A disappointing season and still one and a half games out of wild card is exactly what we've been talking about.

01:02:24.231 --> 01:02:30.592
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but Josh, do you think Elias tried to get that he tried to upgrade the current roster in a significant way?

01:02:30.972 --> 01:02:32.012
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just selling.

01:02:32.612 --> 01:02:33.232
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.

01:02:33.252 --> 01:02:33.873
[SPEAKER_00]: The trade deadline.

01:02:33.893 --> 01:02:34.413
[SPEAKER_00]: The trade deadline.

01:02:34.513 --> 01:02:40.454
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he made attempts to get another picture or another outfielder?

01:02:43.165 --> 01:02:43.906
[SPEAKER_00]: or did not even try.

01:02:43.926 --> 01:02:54.654
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, no, I think he sees, I think he, no, he was not, he did not buy into this year because to truly be a buyer, means you're getting a rental.

01:02:55.394 --> 01:02:59.918
[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting a, but you get a guy under, I mean, Frank, the Franklin was a bit of a buyer move.

01:03:00.038 --> 01:03:01.579
[SPEAKER_00]: He drew a year and a prospect for Franklin.

01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:06.583
[SPEAKER_01]: Franklin's a little bit of a buyer move, but to be a true buyer, you buy in someone to help your team this year.

01:03:07.503 --> 01:03:08.665
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think he did that.

01:03:08.765 --> 01:03:19.618
[SPEAKER_01]: I think what he did is he made moves that won't hurt us much this year and will allow us to bounce back immediately next year and fix some of the issues for next year.

01:03:20.129 --> 01:03:20.349
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:03:20.709 --> 01:03:22.971
[SPEAKER_00]: I just hate our center field play.

01:03:23.412 --> 01:03:27.175
[SPEAKER_00]: And I looked at the frequency less for next year, and there's no good center filters there, saw.

01:03:27.515 --> 01:03:28.476
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:03:28.676 --> 01:03:31.198
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to just, but I don't think that's that's why he could.

01:03:31.238 --> 01:03:37.303
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's part of the problem is how do you buy a center fielder when no one's trying to get rid of center fielders?

01:03:37.443 --> 01:03:37.944
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

01:03:38.364 --> 01:03:44.269
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think just maybe cows work out and cows are like the good thing like if if you brought to your field.

01:03:45.450 --> 01:03:48.833
[SPEAKER_00]: Cows are would be out of here or would not be getting it playing time.

01:03:48.973 --> 01:03:57.379
[SPEAKER_00]: But cows are Franklin bevers They're they're gonna have a run-off are they're gonna have a run-away here to show this in 2026.

01:03:57.419 --> 01:04:07.846
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then we can make make moves and That's the one criticism I saw some people about the Adley trade is well if you waited till the offseason more teams would be interested.

01:04:08.186 --> 01:04:10.588
[SPEAKER_01]: Not true Not to give you a haul like that

01:04:11.397 --> 01:04:13.678
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is you would never get that's good of a deal.

01:04:13.738 --> 01:04:18.281
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's the best that's that's you talk about trading on a high That was the Adley Ruchman move.

01:04:18.301 --> 01:04:19.661
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't if you're trading last year.

01:04:19.921 --> 01:04:31.927
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you would even hope that because you doubt it down You're perfect time and you had to do it while the red socks were hot and believe they could win this year Yeah Because they could still implode to I mean they just swept the Dodgers.

01:04:32.328 --> 01:04:38.671
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I know I want to talk a lot to out, but we're gonna have to do that next week because we've already passed an hour

01:04:40.017 --> 01:04:45.344
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got some thoughts on the Dodgers too, but yeah, see that for next year.

01:04:45.404 --> 01:04:46.245
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do that next week.

01:04:46.366 --> 01:04:47.046
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll try to speak.

01:04:47.387 --> 01:04:49.910
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's try to do a show in actually week two week.

01:04:50.451 --> 01:04:51.012
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:04:51.032 --> 01:04:52.073
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a good call for us.

01:04:52.614 --> 01:04:54.577
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad I got all these at least.

01:04:54.837 --> 01:04:55.358
[SPEAKER_00]: Thoughts out.

01:04:56.461 --> 01:04:57.862
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially since we could be wild card.

01:04:58.903 --> 01:04:59.403
[SPEAKER_01]: Sponsored.

01:04:59.423 --> 01:04:59.924
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah man.

01:04:59.944 --> 01:05:00.804
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is show.

01:05:01.305 --> 01:05:01.685
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:05:01.765 --> 01:05:03.406
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, you need to put the standings up.

01:05:03.786 --> 01:05:08.670
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to do the video and put the standings up in between us so I can see that excitement.

01:05:09.070 --> 01:05:09.250
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:05:09.430 --> 01:05:12.893
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's got to be a fun couple of months here.

01:05:14.154 --> 01:05:14.394
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

01:05:16.235 --> 01:05:22.620
[SPEAKER_01]: So, one of the half games and what do we, I think that makes a six and a half behind the red sauce.

01:05:24.777 --> 01:05:24.997
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:05:25.558 --> 01:05:26.459
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now let's just get that.

01:05:27.221 --> 01:05:30.806
[SPEAKER_01]: If I can walk our spot and who we can go from there, then you just got to beat them in a series.

01:05:31.447 --> 01:05:31.627
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:05:33.170 --> 01:05:35.412
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and I think we got the starters to do it.

01:05:35.613 --> 01:05:38.075
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine though facing Ali in the playoffs?

01:05:38.656 --> 01:05:39.697
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know.

01:05:40.498 --> 01:05:42.460
[SPEAKER_01]: We'd rather than facing Adley in a month from now.

01:05:42.940 --> 01:05:46.784
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we didn't really talk about this much, but it does.

01:05:46.984 --> 01:05:52.030
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Matt, this would feel a different Josh if he went to the Brewers or the White Sox.

01:05:52.870 --> 01:05:55.293
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels a lot a hundred percent that it was Boston.

01:05:55.473 --> 01:06:03.938
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's why Machado to the Padres, all right, fine, we never, we've faced Machado's in a position here was Machado's first trip back to Camdeny Hearts.

01:06:05.379 --> 01:06:05.780
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

01:06:06.220 --> 01:06:06.680
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe so.

01:06:06.700 --> 01:06:07.100
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe so.

01:06:07.601 --> 01:06:08.661
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is true.

01:06:08.681 --> 01:06:10.462
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, that's why out of that's true.

01:06:11.463 --> 01:06:16.906
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, but no, we'll be seeing Adley all the time, which is unfortunate.

01:06:18.127 --> 01:06:18.968
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:06:20.850 --> 01:06:21.671
[SPEAKER_00]: Good discussion.

01:06:21.691 --> 01:06:24.594
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope listeners hope that's helped you by the way.

01:06:24.634 --> 01:06:25.154
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm an idiot.

01:06:25.695 --> 01:06:26.916
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in 2019.

01:06:26.956 --> 01:06:28.177
[SPEAKER_01]: He returned to Camdenyard.

01:06:28.578 --> 01:06:28.858
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:06:29.018 --> 01:06:29.759
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds better.

01:06:30.379 --> 01:06:30.580
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:06:31.581 --> 01:06:35.384
[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess he hasn't in a while because they go through the divisions, right?

01:06:35.745 --> 01:06:39.889
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they do every other and you're, yeah, because they play everyone every other year.

01:06:39.929 --> 01:06:40.830
[SPEAKER_01]: So I am an idiot.

01:06:40.890 --> 01:06:41.871
[SPEAKER_01]: There was probably two years ago.

01:06:42.972 --> 01:06:43.292
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:06:43.693 --> 01:06:43.913
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.

01:06:43.933 --> 01:06:44.273
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.

01:06:44.293 --> 01:06:46.675
[SPEAKER_00]: We can end the podcast on the note that Josh is an idiot.

01:06:46.916 --> 01:06:47.096
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

01:06:47.316 --> 01:06:47.656
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that.

01:06:47.916 --> 01:06:48.417
[SPEAKER_01]: It's how it goes.

01:06:48.937 --> 01:06:49.378
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:06:49.458 --> 01:06:54.722
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I hope we helped you process this whole out of the rudge ben trade as we kind of process this together.

01:06:56.084 --> 01:06:58.306
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll process this world card race here.

01:06:58.326 --> 01:06:59.947
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, a couple of months.

01:06:59.967 --> 01:07:00.247
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:00.267 --> 01:07:00.768
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:02.389 --> 01:07:05.392
[SPEAKER_01]: And is it time to put all my ad these stuff on eBay?

01:07:06.873 --> 01:07:10.175
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I got I was gonna get a trash can to start burning it.

01:07:10.235 --> 01:07:15.939
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we does that a thing where they get traded and you get mad and you or is that just free agency when they leave free agency?

01:07:15.959 --> 01:07:17.260
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's from free agency.

01:07:17.380 --> 01:07:19.381
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if they trade, it's not the players fault.

01:07:19.841 --> 01:07:22.483
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, all right, I just want to burn something though.

01:07:23.729 --> 01:07:25.370
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's see how the rest of the season goes.

01:07:25.890 --> 01:07:27.812
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, no, you keep those bobbleheads.

01:07:27.872 --> 01:07:29.813
[SPEAKER_00]: They're, uh, they're keep six.

01:07:30.393 --> 01:07:33.875
[SPEAKER_00]: You think he goes into the Hall of Fame as an Oriole or as a Red Sox?

01:07:33.975 --> 01:07:35.416
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, well, we'll have that discussion later.

01:07:35.696 --> 01:07:36.497
[SPEAKER_00]: A special later.

01:07:37.137 --> 01:07:40.139
[SPEAKER_01]: If he has the answers to the Red Sox.

01:07:41.060 --> 01:07:41.400
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop.

01:07:41.540 --> 01:07:43.121
[SPEAKER_00]: The answer is whatever team he signs with that.

01:07:43.161 --> 01:07:45.622
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the, the, the, the true answers, whatever's next.

01:07:46.103 --> 01:07:48.004
[SPEAKER_00]: Or whatever team he wants a championship with.

01:07:48.104 --> 01:07:51.646
[SPEAKER_01]: Because in order to be a Hall of Fame player, he's got to play better than he played for the Orioles.

01:07:54.287 --> 01:07:57.249
[SPEAKER_01]: But he will be in the Orioles Hall of Fame, because they let anyone in.

01:07:57.569 --> 01:07:57.790
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:07:58.910 --> 01:08:00.091
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a separate sketch.

01:08:00.151 --> 01:08:01.452
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he might be on track, though.

01:08:01.472 --> 01:08:02.213
[SPEAKER_00]: Should be contingent.

01:08:02.333 --> 01:08:03.033
[SPEAKER_00]: Even on track?

01:08:03.293 --> 01:08:03.894
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's on track.

01:08:04.014 --> 01:08:04.194
[SPEAKER_01]: Out.

01:08:04.274 --> 01:08:05.635
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to look for the members.

01:08:07.837 --> 01:08:08.857
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, boys and girls.

01:08:09.358 --> 01:08:10.238
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for listening.

01:08:11.419 --> 01:08:12.420
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01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:14.641
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01:08:17.584 --> 01:08:20.225
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01:08:20.646 --> 01:08:21.686
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01:08:21.967 --> 01:08:22.567
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01:08:22.947 --> 01:08:23.708
[SPEAKER_00]: Go Oats.

01:08:31.540 --> 01:08:54.065
[SPEAKER_02]: You can see it, watch them cover like the colors we bleed Rather than standing with it, you're with some weed You've got children right, kick it out of your jaw street Poor y'all's magic and purple bright Let me hear you never see these in light Smash, melt, pop on this away we play Come on people, let me hear you

01:08:56.471 --> 01:09:06.055
[SPEAKER_02]: We are the fan birds, and we run this town When you step into the army must take this hand You're the fan birds, haven't you heard?

01:09:06.095 --> 01:09:22.983
[SPEAKER_02]: Got their underdogs down, but we'll be crushing the crew And we really don't care what they hate us say We'll be back here from the sea to the chest and we'll be bay other Fan birds, and we run this town Everybody knows you ain't necessary

01:09:47.013 --> 01:09:51.694
[SPEAKER_02]: And we run this town, when you step into the yard, you must protect this house.

01:09:51.815 --> 01:09:54.655
[SPEAKER_02]: You're the fastest, haven't you heard?

01:09:54.715 --> 01:09:58.116
[SPEAKER_02]: Got that underdog stop, and we'll be crushing the curb.

01:09:58.136 --> 01:10:01.397
[SPEAKER_02]: And we really don't care what they hate is said.

01:10:01.578 --> 01:10:04.999
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be rocking from the city to the chesapeake bay.

01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:07.739
[SPEAKER_02]: You're the fastest, haven't we run this town?

01:10:07.839 --> 01:10:10.680
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody knows we ain't messing around.

01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:12.741
[SPEAKER_02]: We're the fastest, haven't we?